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July 13, 2007

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FreedbyJC

WOW! Sorry I missed the conference...I'll need to get the DVDs for our Worship Vison Team.


You & Sally have put to voice some of the same uneasy feelings I've had ove the last few years and made the light shine in some shadowy places. Thank you!

Zach Nielsen

As a worship pastor I can comment on the music question. Is worship music all the same? Generally speaking I think so, but it depends on how you define "sameness". Does worship music that you hear on the radio totally have a sound all to it's own? Definitely. One can certainly indentify a Christian station on the radio after about 2 seconds of listening to it. Should our worship music sound different? Maybe, maybe not. This depends on who is playing. I don't think we artists we should copy the culture. This reeks of inauthenticity and should be avoided at all costs. Each individual musician should figure out their own voice and do that! In the long run this will speak much more authentically than trying to be "Relevant" to whatever MTV (pick your pop culture medium) says is hip right now.

Excellence should be the norm before "relevance"

Our discussion of relevance always reeks of homogeneity. Relevant to whom? "Contemporary" to whom? We assume there is a sense of relevance for all people. You know what is relevant? A person called by God doing what He calls them to do with excellence. Not trying to copy the what the culture says is "cool". Unbelievers can see through our (usually poor) representations of what the culture sees as cool and thinks we are just plain weird.

Much more to say... that is enough for now.

Enough for now.

Kevin M. Stone

I have said more than once lately that we are definitely not reaching as many "non-churched" people as we think we are. In fact, if you really look at the data through clear (not "church colored") glasses, you can pretty easily see that most of the folks coming to check us out are churched people looking for a "better church" for a myriad of reasons.

What do we really have to do to reach truly non-churched people? Services are great for creative presentation and biblical communication. But, I think it's time we look at other parts of the church, the ministry (and parts of our jobs as church leaders) for opportunities. Let's face it ... how "normal" is a church service (regardless of what's presented) to a truly non-churched person? How can they possibly relate to: opening song, welcome, worship songs, offering, video clip, message, communion, announcements, closing song, etc. if they are non-churched?

Joni

Boy years back when I was part of planning worship services, we looked at the whole service as worship with an ebb and flow on the level of intimacy--leading people closer or acting as an usher. disclaimer of course: the Holy Spirit is ultimately in charge. But we wanted to give opportunities for people to meet with God. Some engage visually, with the teaching, with music, or drama. It wasn't just the music that was considered worship. It was the whole thing.

Music styles are popular because people like them and relate to them. So if we are asking people to like and relate to church music with uninteresting melodies, canned arrangements, predictable form and trite lyrics, its not going to relate well and will become a thing to endure, not to engage in. And yes, it has to be authentic. So maybe we need to ask for a change in our hearts to up the ante in our craft.

Great stuff from Sally, again.

Scot Longyear

Hi Nancy,
Thanks for the great blog. Excellent content and it always makes me think.

I am a friend of Sally Morgethaller's and have been wrestling with the all of the worship evangelism and it's proper place. We have been on a journey that began a few years ago when we made a decision not to continually invest the majority of our resources in the Sunday gathering. I wrote our story out for Sally, it was the one she shared in the session she did with the Willow staff.

Thanks for wrestling with all of us as we serve the cause.

Blessings!!

Scot

Peter Hamm

IMHO this is related to another issue in Dan's book that I am wrestling with right now. The culture at large seems to be "reachable" with arts/culture aimed at a young 20-something person, and yet those people are not leading in our churches. We need to invite those people alongside us and let them lead with us, and slowly give the ministry away to them so that the church can remain relevant. Then they have to do the same thing when they're in their (cough cough) 40s or so...

brad andrews

I recently spoke with Sally in a phone conversation and posted some excerpts at my blog @ relevintage.com. She asked me to post her thoughts here and the Willow Creek Arts blog:

Have we trained our people to care about the wrong things? Particularly, high production at all costs?

Sally: This describes so many of the large churches – over 1000 – that I have worked with and seen over the last few years who ironically have stopped growing, many of them are in denial that they are actually losing ground – they are saying that they are at least maintaining – where the last few years that is hard to even say that because the losses are becoming pretty evident.

The really savvy leaders are asking the deeper questions. However most leaders, especially if they are of the baby boomer variety, even young boomers, old X'ers who were trained by boomers, are going for the band-aid – let's get a VJ machine, let's get another screen, let's increase the production value - thinking if they increase the excellence factor – the cool factor – that it will fix whatever problem.

It is a paradigm that is all about 'people come because it's a good show' and if people aren't coming, the show isn't good enough. That is the paradigm that came of the 90's which really came out of a pretty strong 80's performance paradigm. It got entrenched in the 90's. Many churches added praise and worship choruses in the 90's. Make it good, if you are slacking, make it better.

What impact does the worship space have on worship?

Sally: Buildings are us. Buildings determine what we do and how we do it in worship. They are not neutral. If all we have is a box and a stage, it is driven by a broadcast value. Those churches are built for presentation. They are not built for interaction. They are not built for anything that would come close to a mystical experience.

Short of going back and asking how the environment impacts the worship and how we are helped to engage with God at a different level and with other, all we are left with is to tweak what they were built for which is performance.

To ask the question is very scary for many large churches. Because then we have to say, "We have the wrong kinds of buildings…"

It is an identity issue if a church's identity is performance. When someone says 'let's create some intimacy' it doesn't jive with a performance mentality.

If a church is going to spend more money on technology to increase the excellence to bring more people in, that fits into the performance value. Making a room smaller, taking the stage and eliminating the distance – which is a huge issue for emerging culture – doesn't feed the performance identity.

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I am a daughter of God, saved by His grace at the young age of 7. My parents, now in their mid-80’s, live just 15 minutes away from me. I treasure time with my husband, Warren, and my two teen-age daughters, Samantha and Johanna.
Our home is in the village of Barrington, a northwest suburb of Chicago. I love raspberries, hot tea, a great novel, MOVIES, theatre, skiing, sunshine, hiking, and hanging out with my friends. My passion is to see artists and their art flourish in local churches, contributing to the transformation of human lives.